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Love now and all the time.
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Did you fall in love?
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Simply inform her I like her.
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Love is stronger than something.
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For the love of affection.
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And I like you greater than something.
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(SINGING) What’s love?
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Right here’s to like.
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Love.
[THEME MUSIC]
anna martin
From “The New York Occasions,” I’m Anna Martin. That is “Trendy Love.” And we’re nonetheless celebrating our twentieth anniversary, spotlighting our favourite love tales with our favourite writers, musicians, artists, and, in the present day, a chef.
Cooking for somebody is the unique option to say “I like you.” The labor, the time, the care, all that chopping and kneading and cautious seasoning. So if meals is love, then chef and author Samin Nosrat simply is likely to be essentially the most romantic individual on this planet.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
It’s candy.
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[ITALIAN]
archived recording (samin nosrat)
Yeah, it’s wealthy in taste.
archived recording 10
Yeah.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
It’s so good. It’s so good. It’s bringing tears to my eyes.
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Thanks.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
It’s so good.
anna martin
That’s Samin on her Netflix present “Salt, Fats, Acid, Warmth,” freaking out in one of the simplest ways over some Parmesan cheese in Italy, with the individuals who spent years making it. That is Samin in her factor, sharing meals and laughs and typically tears with different individuals.
From the colourful, scrumptious dinners she hosts for her associates —
archived recording (samin nosrat)
I’m going to place you straight to work. So would you like a glass of wine first?
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Yeah.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
All proper.
anna martin
— to creating conventional Iranian dishes together with her mother, with some trial and error.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
Apparently, I’ve been doing this fallacious my entire life.
archived recording (mrs. nosrat)
You’re not frying it. You’re simply making good crusty patty.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
OK.
anna martin
To her educational movies exhibiting us how house cooks could make tacky molten lasagna from scratch.
archived recording (samin nosrat)
Scorching. Oh my god. It’s like a bit of lava happening my throat.
OK. I hope that you just get to share this lasagna with a bunch of individuals. I hope it brings you slightly pleasure and luxury and deliciousness.
anna martin
After we requested Samin to choose a “Trendy Love,” essay she knew precisely which one she wished to learn. It’s an essay that includes meals, in fact. But it surely’s additionally an essay about time, how valuable it’s, and the way similar to a bit of piping sizzling lasagna, we’ve got to savor it with the individuals we love.
Samin Nosrat, welcome to “Trendy Love.”
samin nosrat
Thanks a lot for having me, Anna.
anna martin
OK. I fear that is going to sound creepy, however I’m simply going to inform you we’ve truly met earlier than. We’ve got a good friend in widespread, and one time I tagged alongside on an errand together with her. She was dropping off a pot she’d borrowed from you at your own home.
samin nosrat
Oh, for her chili.
anna martin
Precisely. Sure. And I met you then.
samin nosrat
Effectively, did I nonetheless stay in my little condominium? Or did I stay right here?
anna martin
No, it was like a home with a backyard within the center.
samin nosrat
Yeah, yeah. That’s the place I stay now.
anna martin
And also you gave me a LaCroix.
samin nosrat
Oh, wow.
anna martin
And I fangirled very quietly.
samin nosrat
[LAUGHS]: That’s humorous.
anna martin
OK, now that that’s over, earlier than we get to the essay, I need to ask you a private query. You might be so brazenly emotional on “Salt, Fats, Acid, Warmth,” your TV present, and all through all of your different work. You might have these moments the place you snicker out loud otherwise you burst into tears as a result of one thing tastes so good.
samin nosrat
[LAUGHS]:
anna martin
Have you ever all the time been that manner along with your feelings so near the floor?
samin nosrat
Hmm. I believe sure and no. Like, I believe the emotions have all the time been there. My household’s from Iran, and my explicit household has its personal story of loss and grief and being affected by tradition. And so in my household, I used to be not essentially inspired to precise my emotions. And so it’s taken a variety of work, a variety of remedy, a variety of sitting with it and in addition simply connecting again to who I’m.
And I believe a part of that’s simply rising up and getting exterior of regularly worrying what different individuals suppose, which I solely do it 98 % of the time now, not 100. However —
[LAUGHS]
However I believe as a substitute of being embarrassed in regards to the issues that rise within me and need to come out, now I perceive that’s all I can do, and that’s who I’m. And in a manner, that’s what attracts sure individuals towards me is I perhaps give permission —
As a result of the factor tastes so good, proper? How may I include myself? You already know? I simply — yeah, it’s simply I’ve to let it out. It’s so good. And don’t you need to share that with somebody?
anna martin
Completely.
samin nosrat
This tastes so good. I need you to have some.
anna martin
I imply, your emotion invitations us in. It invitations us to really feel deeply alongside you. So, Samin, once we requested you to come back on the present, you knew instantly which essay you wished to learn. It’s referred to as “You Might Need To Marry My husband,” by Amy Krouse Rosenthal. And also you stated it was as a result of had been obsessive about Amy, that you just had been an ardent fan, that you just’d adopted her intensely for years. With out making a gift of an excessive amount of of the story, earlier than listeners hear it, are you able to inform me why you’re so drawn to her?
samin nosrat
I in all probability first encountered her work perhaps like 2005, which was a time in my life once I was studying a variety of blogs by artists and inventive individuals. I used to be actually deeply sad in my very own path as a restaurant prepare dinner, and I wished to develop into a author, so I’d spend all of my time filling my spare time with artistic juju.
And I noticed her ebook. I believe it’s referred to as “Encyclopedia of an Abnormal Life.” It was a memoir written on this wonderful format of encyclopedic entries, however of simply unusual issues in her life. And I simply thought it was so intelligent and sensible, and so I began following her on-line, and she or he was all the time doing initiatives that invited strangers in.
And so she had an occasion that she’d documented and was a brief movie referred to as “The Beckoning of Pretty.” And the web was already beginning to flip darkish, you realize? And it was this factor the place I used to be in time of a lot darkness and disconnection, she was providing an exquisite option to join.
anna martin
Mm-hmm. I do know that video. I’ve watched it a number of occasions. Amy Krouse Rosenthal referred to as this undertaking “The Beckoning of Pretty” as you stated as a result of her entire form of ethos was beckoning in, calling in gentle and pleasure and connection. So she had all these strangers present as much as make artwork collectively at 8/8, so October 8, 2008 at 8:08 PM.
samin nosrat
Oh, I forgot 808.
[laughs]
It was simply this lovely factor to witness. This film was so joyful and particular and magical and harmless. And I wished to do issues like that. I wished to be a part of one thing like that. It was so inspiring.
anna martin
Completely inspiring. Her work was so playful, and the “Trendy Love” essay she wrote additionally has that high quality. However on the similar time, it’s a whole tearjerker. This essay makes me cry.
Earlier than you learn, I need to pose a concept to you. I really feel like there are two varieties of individuals on this planet. There are the individuals who like a narrative that makes you cry, and there are individuals who keep away from it just like the plague.
samin nosrat
OK.
anna martin
And also you in selecting this essay, you simply went proper for it. You went immediately into the emotion. So I need to know, why do you suppose you’re not afraid of the unhappy when lots of people are?
samin nosrat
Hmm. I believe disappointment has all the time simply been part of my life. And but, in my work and on this planet, I’m so deeply related to pleasure. And you may’t have one with out the opposite. I believe my orientation towards pleasure is as a result of I’ve a lot disappointment inside.
anna martin
I imply, this essay has each. It has the enjoyment, and it has the disappointment. I fully see why you had been so drawn to it, and I can’t wait to listen to you learn it.
samin nosrat
OK, nice. “You Might Need To Marry My Husband,” by Amy Krouse Rosenthal.
“I’ve been making an attempt to put in writing this for some time, however the morphine and lack of juicy cheeseburgers — What has it been now, 5 weeks with out actual meals?— have drained my vitality and interfered with no matter prose prowess stays. Moreover, the intermittent micro-naps that maintain whisking me away mid-sentence are clearly not propelling my work ahead as rapidly as I would really like. However they’re admittedly a little bit of trippy enjoyable.
Nonetheless I’ve to keep it up as a result of I’m going through a deadline, on this case a urgent one. I must say this and say it proper whereas I’ve, A, your consideration, and, B, a pulse. I’ve been married to essentially the most extraordinary man for 26 years. I used to be planning on a minimum of one other 26 collectively.
[SOFT MUSIC]
Wish to hear a sick joke? A husband and spouse stroll into the emergency room within the late night on September 5, 2015. A couple of hours and assessments later, the physician clarifies that the bizarre ache the spouse is feeling on her proper facet isn’t the no-biggie appendicitis they suspected however fairly ovarian most cancers.
Because the couple head house within the early morning of September 6, one way or the other by the foggy shock of all of it they make the connection that in the present day, the day they discovered what had been festering, can be the day they might have formally kicked off their empty nestering. The youngest of their three youngsters had simply left for school.
So many plans immediately went poof. No journey with my husband and oldsters to South Africa. No purpose now to use for the Harvard Loeb Fellowship. No dream tour of Asia with my mom. No author’s residencies at these great colleges in India, Vancouver, Jakarta.
No surprise the phrase ‘most cancers’ and ‘cancel’ look so related. That is once we entered what I got here to think about as Plan Be — that’s — B-E — present solely within the current.
As for the longer term, permit me to introduce you to the gentleman of this text, Jason Brian Rosenthal.
He’s a straightforward man to fall in love with. I did it in sooner or later. Let me clarify. My father’s greatest good friend since summer season camp, Uncle John, had recognized Jason and me individually our entire lives, however Jason and I had by no means met. I went to school out East and took my first job in California.
Once I moved again house to Chicago, John, who thought Jason and I had been excellent for one another, set us up on a blind date. It was 1989. We had been solely 24. I had exactly zero expectations about this going wherever. However when he knocked on the door of my little body home, I believed, uh-oh, there’s one thing extremely likable about this individual.
By the top of dinner, I knew I wished to marry him. Jason? He knew a 12 months later. I’ve by no means been on Tinder, Bumble, or eHarmony, however I’m going to create a normal profile of Jason proper right here, based mostly on my expertise of coexisting in the identical home with him for, like, 9,490 days.
First, the fundamentals — he’s 5 foot 10, 160 kilos, with salt and pepper hair and hazel eyes. The next record of attributes is in no explicit order as a result of every little thing feels essential to me not directly.
He’s a pointy dresser. Our younger grownup sons, Justin and Miles, usually borrow his garments. Those that know him or simply occur to look down on the hole between his gown slacks and gown footwear, know that he has a aptitude for fabulous socks. He’s match and enjoys retaining in form.
If our house may communicate, it could add that Jason is uncannily useful. As regards to meals, man, can he prepare dinner. After an extended day, there’s no sweeter pleasure than seeing him stroll within the door, plop a grocery bag down on the counter, and woo me with olives and a few yummy cheese he has procured earlier than he will get to work on the night’s meal.
Jason loves listening to stay music. It’s our favourite factor to do collectively. I also needs to add that our 19 12 months previous daughter Paris would fairly go to a live performance with him than anybody else. Once I was engaged on my first memoir, I stored circling sections my editor wished me to broaden upon.
She would say, I’d wish to see extra of this character. After all, I’d agree. He was certainly a fascinating character. But it surely was humorous as a result of she may have simply stated, let’s add extra about Jason.
He’s a fully great father. Ask anybody. See that man on the nook? He’ll inform you. Jason is compassionate, and he can flip a pancake. Jason paints. I like his art work. I’d name him an artist, aside from the regulation diploma that retains him at his downtown workplace most days from 9:00 to five:00. Or a minimum of it did earlier than I bought sick.
When you’re in search of a dreamy let’s-go-for-it journey companion, Jason is your man. He additionally has an affinity for tiny issues, taster spoons, little jars, a mini-sculpture of a pair sitting on a bench, which he offered to me as a reminder of how our household started.
Right here’s the type of man Jason is. He confirmed up at our first being pregnant ultrasound with flowers. It is a man who, as a result of he’s all the time up early, surprises me each Sunday morning by making some type of oddball smiley face out of things close to the espresso pot — a spoon, a mug, a banana.
It is a man who emerges from the mini-mart or fuel station and says, give me your palm. And voila, a colourful gumball seems. He is aware of I like all of the flavors however white.
[SOFT MUSIC]
My guess is you realize sufficient about him now. So let’s swipe proper. Wait. Did I point out that he’s extremely good-looking? I’m going to overlook that face of his. If he appears like a prince and our relationship looks as if a fairy story, it’s not too far off, aside from the entire common stuff that comes from 2 and 1/2 many years of taking part in home collectively, and the half about me getting most cancers. Blech.
In my most up-to-date memoir, written solely earlier than my prognosis, I invited readers to ship in options for matching tattoos, the thought being that writer and reader could be bonded by ink. I used to be completely critical about this and inspired submitters to be critical as properly. Lots of poured in.
A couple of weeks after publication in August, I heard from a 62-year-old librarian in Milwaukee named Paulette. She prompt the phrase ‘extra.’ This was based mostly on an essay within the ebook the place I discussed that ‘extra’ was my first spoken phrase. True. And now it could very properly be my final. Time shall inform.
In September, Paulette drove down to fulfill me at a Chicago tattoo parlor. She bought hers, her very first, on her left wrist. I bought mine on the underside of my left forearm, in my daughter’s handwriting. This was my second tattoo. The primary is a small lowercase J that has been on my ankle for 25 years. You’ll be able to in all probability guess what it stands for. Jason has one too, however with extra letters — A-Okay-R.
I need extra time with Jason. I need extra time with my youngsters. I need extra time sipping martinis on the Inexperienced Mill Jazz Membership on Thursday nights. However that’s not going to occur. I in all probability solely have a number of days left being an individual on this planet.
So why am I doing this? I’m wrapping this up on Valentine’s Day, and essentially the most real non-vase-oriented present I can hope for is that the best individual reads this, finds Jason, and one other love story begins. I’ll go away this intentional empty house beneath as a manner of supplying you with two the contemporary begin you deserve.
With all my love, Amy.”
I imply, she was simply herself the whole time she was alive. She was simply all the time and absolutely Amy Krouse Rosenthal. I believe that’s what struck me once I learn this, and it strikes me now.
anna martin
Extra from Samin after the break.
Samin, Thank You a lot for studying Amy Krouse Rosenthal’s essay. You probably did an extremely lovely job. What did it convey up for you?
samin nosrat
I keep in mind once I first learn this within the paper, I used to be shocked. I had not seen something from her shortly. And I truly suppose she died shortly after, only a few days after it was revealed. And so it got here with that be aware, and it was simply such a shock as a result of she was so younger and so alive. Aliveness was on the core of what I related together with her.
And but nonetheless on this story, she’s nonetheless so absolutely herself, and every little thing that I had been drawn to from the start about discovering magnificence within the unusual and discovering methods to convey individuals collectively comes out right here. She’s doing it right here. She’s inviting individuals into her life and her husband’s life. She tells the story of connecting together with her readers and getting a tattoo, and there’s simply this manner the place it’s so deeply transferring and so lovely and so unhappy. And I believe you simply can’t have one with out the opposite.
anna martin
You already know, you talked about that in your work, in your public persona, you’re recognized on your pleasure, which is — I imply, your snicker is sort of a golden beam of sunshine to me. It invigorates me, and I do know so many others. And also you’re speaking in regards to the disappointment, too, that you just carry, and I assume I ponder the way you strategy holding each of these.
You say you may’t have one with out the opposite. I ponder the way you carry each on the similar time.
samin nosrat
I imply, I’m a depressive individual. I’ve been like deeply overwhelmed by loss and disappointment all through my life. And at the same time as I sit right here speaking, I can simply really feel the core of disappointment in my coronary heart. And in addition typically I’ve to wallow in it. And at different occasions, I believe it’s simply been a aware determination for me.
It’s nearly like a survival mechanism that I can’t keep there. I can’t stay there. So I can really feel it, and I can acknowledge it, and I can let it’s there. And in addition the way in which I’ve to exist on this planet is by in search of magnificence and in search of pleasure and in search of connection.
And I’m not an actor. I want. Generally I actually want I may act. However the pleasure that I emit and I symbolize can be very real. It’s not an act. But in addition I’ve to depart room for the opposite a part of it.
anna martin
As a result of real pleasure and real disappointment coexist collectively. It sounds such as you’ve come to a spot in your life the place you actually deeply acknowledge that. And in its personal manner, I believe the essay does too.
There are such a lot of lovely issues that Amy writes about her husband Jason, and a kind of issues is that he cooks for her. She writes, “After an extended day, there isn’t a sweeter pleasure than seeing him stroll within the door, plop a grocery bag down on the counter and woo me with olives and a few yummy cheese.” And I really feel like you’re the queen of this, I imply, indisputably the queen of expressing love for cooking, of wooing individuals by meals.
What’s the last item you made somebody to point out them your love?
samin nosrat
Oh, I do know. Caesar salad dressing. [LAUGHS]
anna martin
With the true anchovies.
samin nosrat
Yeah, with the true anchovies.
anna martin
Inform me the elements. I simply need to hear you say it.
samin nosrat
It’s like ASMR [LAUGHING]:
anna martin
Actually. I’m going to mattress to this tonight.
samin nosrat
I believe that point I used eggs. Generally I make the mayonnaise with aquafaba, with the chickpea water. However I believe I made it with egg and olive oil, a ton of lemon juice and lemon zest, a ton of Parmesan cheese, a ton of anchovies and garlic.
I all the time add slightly Worcestershire sauce, after which I additionally add normally some vinegar too, white wine vinegar, salt and pepper. I believe that’s every little thing.
anna martin
Worcestershire? Is {that a} secret ingredient? I by no means put that in my very own.
samin nosrat
Worcestershire sauce is rather like white individuals fish sauce, principally.
anna martin
Say that —
samin nosrat
And so —
anna martin
You’ll be able to say that once more.
samin nosrat
So typically I’ll add slightly little bit of fish sauce. However both one, it’s just a bit secret like kick. However I believe it does return to perhaps the ‘50s. I don’t suppose it was within the authentic Caesar salad from Tijuana, however it’s a traditional ingredient.
anna martin
That’s a love letter, isn’t it? That’s a love letter. How does meals as love present up in your everyday life?
samin nosrat
I imply, to me, I believe rather a lot about it as time. In some methods, truly, it does relate again to this story and in addition my very own disappointment and loss, which is, I believe, a factor I’ve been pondering rather a lot about.
In the previous few years, my dad died, and that was simply horrible to look at for 1,000,000 causes. However an enormous a part of what washed over me once I was watching him die was how unhappy and horrible the circumstances of his dying had been. And I used to be left with this sense of this isn’t what I need to look again on once I’m dying.
And it helped me actually concentrate on what I need to take into consideration on the finish of my life, which is I need to look again and see a life that was stuffed with friendship and pleasure and laughter and sweetness and nature and puppies and artwork and connection. And so there was a way. I’ve all the time had in my lifetime of — I believe this has rather a lot to do with being like an immigrant child and having save, save, save and work, the work ethic drilled into me.
However there’s simply been a way I’ve all the time had of saving issues for later. And I’ll work actually onerous now in order that sooner or later I received’t need to, or I’ll save up all my cash in order that sooner or later I’ll be OK. Or I’ll say no to all of these items that I may very well be doing as a result of I needs to be house working or doing one thing productive.
And I believe as I watched my dad die, it lastly sank in. You solely get one life, and there’s solely the time that there’s, and really the very most valuable factor that we’ve got is time. The one factor we will’t get extra of, the one factor I can’t purchase, the one factor I can’t is time. And so there was simply nearly this in a single day change in me of — I all the time joke, now I’m absolutely YOLO.
However it’s true. I say sure to — and individuals are like, oh, do you need to come to this factor throughout the nation subsequent week to be with your folks? I’ll say sure now. And so to return to your query, that even has proven up for me in my cooking. And a variety of what I’m aware of as an individual who writes recipes and desires to encourage individuals to prepare dinner is that point is de facto valuable and that lots of people don’t have the time to prepare dinner.
And to me, I’m like, oh, if we will shift one thing in the way in which that we take a look at this factor that we do every single day to nourish ourselves and to nourish the individuals round us who we care about and perceive that this time is a present — I’m pouring my time into making you one thing, and that’s me sharing my most valuable forex with you.
So it’s not about making essentially the most fanciest issues. Generally I make chili crisp, and that’s a undertaking that takes a day or a day or two. And I make it annually. After which I give that away. However then the present is extra than simply that jar. I’m supplying you with the entire time and vitality and thoughtfulness that I put into that.
I imply, my most tangible factor that I do is that for now, I believe three or 4 years, a small group of my associates and I’ve dinner collectively each week. It’s really our Sabbath. It’s our factor that all of us look ahead to each week. Generally I’m testing recipes, however typically we order empanadas. Generally we simply have a pot of beans con todo.
It’s not essentially some form of a culinary factor, however it’s about creating this ritual for ourselves and the youngsters and investing that point with one another. Now I simply talked longer than the essay. Sorry. [LAUGHS]
anna martin
And by the way in which, you simply gave us the title of the episode, which is “Now I’m Absolutely YOLO.”
A dialog with Samin Nosrat.
Which is simply excellent.
However what you’re saying is so spot on. And in a manner, it so immediately aligns with — I believe one of many takeaways from the essay is when she’s speaking in regards to the concept of extra. She needs extra time together with her husband. She needs extra time together with her children. She needs extra time sipping martinis.
I imply, it’s this concept, as you’re articulating, of our most valuable useful resource being time. And it nearly appears too easy, however it’s so true. Amy Krouse Rosenthal died 10 days after this essay was revealed. And her husband Jason later revealed his personal “Trendy Love” essay as a response piece to honor her. And in it, he wrote, “Amy continues to open doorways for me, to have an effect on my decisions, to ship me off into the world to benefit from it.”
And I’ve to say, Samin, I really feel like Amy has finished this for you too. What about this essay do you carry with you?
samin nosrat
I believe the principle factor that I carry with me is the kindness and love and generosity with which it was written and the thought of, I like this individual a lot, and I need to give them permission to go have a full life, and I need to sing the praises of them so that everybody else can perceive.
In some methods, she’s not the principle character of her personal story. He’s, and that sense of generosity and kindness is what I consider once I consider this, that at the same time as she suffered this unhappy, horrible sickness, she was in a position to look outward. And I believe, that, to me, my loneliness and disappointment usually threatens to drag me inward and make me shut myself off from the world.
And it is a good reminder that finally one of the simplest ways to be and essentially the most fruitful option to be is to open up and join.
anna martin
Hmm.
Samin, thanks a lot.
samin nosrat
Oh, thanks for having me.
anna martin
And we should always say thanks to Amy Krouse Rosenthal for these phrases.
samin nosrat
Sure, and thanks a lot to Amy Krouse Rosenthal.
[THEME MUSIC]
anna martin
Subsequent week, I speak with the star of the Netflix present “You,” and naturally, everybody’s favourite brooding author from “Gossip Woman,” Penn Badgley.
archived recording (penn badgley)
We are saying mother and father’ love is unconditional. That’s truly not true. It’s not true! It’s simply not. It’s conditioned very often.
anna martin
“Trendy Love” is produced by Julia Botero, Cristina Djossa, Reva Goldberg, Davis Land, and Emily Lang, with assist from Kate LoPresti. It’s edited by our government producer Jen Poyant and Paula Szuchman. The “Trendy Love” theme music is by Dan Powell. Unique music by Dan Powell, Corey Schroeppel, and Rowan Niemisto.
This episode was blended by Daniel Ramirez. Our present is recorded by Maddy Masiello. Digital manufacturing by Mahima Chablani and Nell Gallogly. The “Trendy Love” column is edited by Daniel Jones. Miya Lee is the editor of “Trendy Love Tasks.” I’m Anna Martin. Thanks for listening.
